The irony of the situation are those that do try to do this even are too busy maintaining life to be fully available. It becomes an ironic twist that the fates can only create like two full formed ships passing in the night.

The other flip side are those that evolve in the "I hate unevolved/immature/toxic men" group of biological males, steer clear of guys that are the hot mess, because we know it will turn into a fight of some kind.

E.g. my local paper had an op-ed person who I have thrown away three responses to it because he is so toxic and I couldn't get the words right. The thing is one brave woman did (and then another the next week came to his defense). I felt bad for not having the words to come up. In my defense, I am dealing with shit (health and mental and life), so I had to put up a boundary wall and say no don't burn the health, energy and cycles on it.

What was I busy doing? Working 80 hours a week, doing the grocery shopping laundry, dishes, cleaning the house, and helping my wife with farm work who is doing farm work and helping a friend who is having to fly solo for the first time in her life with foaling out horses.

Meanwhile, dealing with major allergies that will level most people to their knees and still taking the time every week to talk to my therapist.

Outside of this comment, I have kept mum about the exhaustion and tiredness from dealing since this is the same ole same and something that I deal with every day.

As for her book, which I have in my queue on my kindle [it is bought] (ha if I ever get to read it as my reading time is minimal anymore) ... My thoughts at a high level is her view follows the same intent of MGTOW. That is ok. If a woman has had 100% shit show with every biological male that crossed her path, I would think she is insane if she dove into that pool of crazy.

I don't have an answer for you on this. I do know as a guy that works on himself, it has been exhausting physically and mentally taxing. I feel better and stronger, but what sucks though is I definitely "get" the comment I have seen from women when they say I am too tired and exhausted for sex and desire and all that.

That is an experience card that is unique and epically sucks, but again this isn't about maleness or me.

All I can say is yeah I can't imagine the hells you all live with ...


Lover of people, Texas Feminist Liberal Democrat, Horse Farm, High Tech Gadget ENFP Guy, and someone who appreciates the struggle of women and wants to help.

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